Questions

[thegrrrl2002]

So, I'm a little puzzled over some of this Stargate/Atlantis backstory stuff with the Ancients. Probably has something to do with the fact that I missed a few eps of Season 6.

So, what killed off all the ancients anyway? Was it the Wraith, or was it a virus (i.e. "Frozen")? And did they all ascend instead of die?

I'm confuuuuuuused. And whiny about my business trip tomorrow, because I will be without my computer for two whole days. ::sighs::

And my foot hurts. And there's no good coffee where I'm going.

Okay, I'll stop now.

Comments

[wickdzoot.livejournal.com]

There, there, we're all confused about this stuff. We can blame it on the writers. I can't help with the business trip, though.

[slb44.livejournal.com]

As far as I can recall every comment made on SG-1 regarding the demise of the Ancients refers to a plague. Atlantis doesn't premiere up here until tomorrow night but considering who tptb are it wouldn't surprise me if they've tossed seven seasons of canon out the window. *g*

[gypsy86.livejournal.com]

I only watched Atlantis once, but what I got was that Atlantis was their city but they also had people on Earth at the same time. The Wraith drove the Ancients out of the Pegasus galaxy - the Ancients all just left and went to Earth leaving the Wraith behind. Then some sort of sickness killed off the Ancients in our galaxy.

I think. I've also missed a bunch of S6 and 7 episodes.

[ladyofbrileith.livejournal.com]

It is all a bit confusing. Here's my take on it, though, it's only my own garbled thinking:

Ancients evolved on Earth, built Gates, traveled and explored.
A plague started sweeping through the galaxy, so they branched out to another.
The Wraith attacked in the other, so they retreated to Earth, where those who didn't learn to ascend died.

There are probably lines in eps that contradict that, but it's the best synthesis I've been able to come up with. lol

[sheron]

My current guess? The virus turned the ancients into Wraith. *insane grin* Oh c'mon, it could be!

[destina.livejournal.com]

I think it's a sort of bizarre synthesis of several things -- sort of like a funneling effect. *g* Clearly some sort of plague wiped out the Ancients who were here on Earth, because Ancient!Girl who was thawed out in Frozen promptly infected everyone around her and then kicked the bucket. They cemented this in canon by using a cameo of her in Atlantis (Rising) to show her left behind when the ship went off to Pegasus Galaxy.

We also know now from Atlantis that those who escaped plague-free were wiped out by the Wraith, and that the few who escaped from *that* returned to Earth. I'm assuming that those last few were the ones who ascended; they probably returned to Earth far enough after the fact that they weren't exposed to the plague. But there couldn't have been many of them left.

What intrigues me there is -- how many Ancients are there, now? Not counting ascended beings like the Abydonians; they are ascended, but not of the actual Ancients' race. And can they die, in their incorporeal form? So many questions, so few answers.

[gypsy86.livejournal.com]

oh god I love that icon. I have that feeling often.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

Damn writers.

Hey, that did make me feel better. And I'm taking a large thermos filled with my OWN coffee on the trip.

Things are looking up.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

Okay, I thought I remembered the plague thing correctly. Oh well. I'll let them fudge the canon if they give me gratuitous male nudity.

[slb44.livejournal.com]

Sound good to me, now where to we post our vote? ;-)

[gigitrek.livejournal.com]

Ooh! A Sheppard icon! I don't know him, but already, I am intrigued. Especially since he's all frowny and squinty. Are you on Kylie Lee's McKay/Beckett bandwagon, or do you have another preference?

And I would put up with a lot more than a few canon mistakes for gratuitous male nudity. I think we should petition them.

[kylielee1000.livejournal.com]

Well heck, it's my bandwagon? All righty then! I'd better write a postep ficlet to stake my claim (although there may not be sex, despite my desire for gratuitous male nudity).

Can I sign the petition?

Another country heard from

[bluecove.livejournal.com]

They've really made a mess of canon, haven't they?

Okay, my take:

We know the Ancients left "this region of space" long ago (The Fifth Race); they had outposts (The Lost City) and colonies (Window of Opportunity) and set up a network of Stargates; they were most likely wiped out by illness (Frozen), although some of them managed to find another plane of existance and become the Ascended (Full Circle). It's possible, but not certain, that they evolved on Earth, since Dr. Beckett said we evolved independent of them (meaning humans are not distant cousins of the Ancients). Atlantis may have simply been a large, city-sized colony.

So, the only timeline that makes sense to me has the Ancients being wiped out by a galaxy-wide plague; some of them managed to ascend, and some of them died. The non-infected decided to fly Atlantis to another galaxy and start fresh. Unfortunately, they found a new foe in the Wraith, and were "defeated" a second time.

How's that sound?

[thenightsfall]

Yikes! No good coffee? That's like the back of beyond, that is! I hope you make it back to civilization safely. ; )

Can't answer your question, I'm afraid, 'cause I too am confuzzled on the whole Earth humans/Ancients/Ascended thing. Methinks a bit of revisionist canon might be going on.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

Sheppard's got good hair, so I like him. He's quite the cutie. McKay/Beckett seems to have potential, but I think Sheppard/McKay is where it's at. Although they hardly had any scenes together. I think that once they do, they'll really click.

And I will gladly sign the male nudity petition.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

Well, that works for me. It makes sense if the plague happened after they left Atlantis, now that I think about it.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

I like gypsy's idea, that the plague happened after they retreated to Earth. Do we know if the plague affected more than one planet? I saw "Frozen" ages ago, and can't remember much about it, except that the girl who played the Ancient was really, really pretty.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

Hey, I like that! Now wouldn't it be funny if that were true?

[ladyofbrileith.livejournal.com]

I think that's possibly the theory behind Window of Opportunity--that they built the time machine to go back and stop the plauge. But that's just my take on it. Because the Asgard say that the Ancients moved on from this region of the galaxy a long time ago...

I don't think TPTB have really thought out the storyline...and of course, there could have been so many Ancients that they all met completely different fates. Orlin doesn't say he's ever been to Earth when he's there with Sam.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

Oh! I completely forgot that was Ancient Girl waving goodbye to the city in the beginning of "Rising". So what you say makes even more sense. And if they were all dead and gone by the Ancients returned from the Pegasus Galaxy, it would make sense that none of them got sick, since there was no one left the spread the virus. Even though it did infect humans,too. Were they implying that humans evolved after the plague ended?

My brain hurts now.

Re: Another country heard from

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

That makes sense, except Ancient Girl from "Frozen" was waving goodbye to Atlantis, so she was still alive then. I would assume the plague hadn't happened yet, since it was so contagious that it seems there wouldn't be anyone left un-infected. And if a portion of the population was naturally resistant, why leave? (Except for wanting to fly their pretty city around. Which is good enough reason for me. *g*)

I'm hoping this gets explained to some extent in the series. Or, at least, the characters scratch their heads about it, too.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

I survived! It was rough, but I did. Actually, our hotel had really good coffee. I was shocked. Usually hotel coffee is the worst.

I thing Revisionist Canon might be happening, too. And I'm okay with that, really, as long as it's not too blatant. I'll still enjoy the show. I just want it to sort of make sense.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

Maybe we need a write-in campaign. *g*

[sheron]

lol it would. It's unlikely, but I sort of like the symmetry.