A typo, obviously...

[thegrrrl2002]

In my previous whine post, I accidently said I wanted people to write snippets to amuse me. Clearly, I meant to say I wrote a snippet to amuse myself. A Sheppard/McKay snippet, actually.


"Define 'inexperienced'".

"Well," John said, "as in 'not having much experience in a particular area of--of expertise'.

"Exactly how much is 'not much'?"

"Could we not discuss this right now?" John didn't want to talk about it; he didn't want to talk about anything right now. Trying to make his point, he pulled his shirt off and pushed Rodney down on the bed.

"Hold it, hold it," Rodney said, with his characteristic let-me-get-this-straight tone, even as he rubbed his hands across John's chest. "By 'not much', do you mean 'I once ogled a guy's ass in the showers' or 'I haven't made it through all the positions in the Gay Kama Sutra yet'?"

John blinked. "There's a Gay Kama Sutra?"

"Asked and answered, thank you." Rodney lay back, pulling John down over his body. "Have you *ever* had sex with a man before?"

"You mean other than myself?"

For a long moment Rodney stared up at him. He began to smile. "So in other words," Rodney said slowly, "I'm your first. Because you're so crazy about me that you--"

"Hey, hey--let's not get carried away here. I just--"

"You find me irresistible," Rodney told him, grinning broadly.

"Now did I say that?"

"You didn't have to. I inferred it. You've sucumbed to the infamous McKay charm."

"Infamous, huh?" It was, at least, an appropriate description. He relented. "Maybe a little."

Admitting it wasn't so bad after all. Because even though it made Rodney ridiculously pleased with himself, he was even more pleased with John. Which in ended, resulted in John feeling very pleased indeed.

Comments

[fanaddict.livejournal.com]

Clearly, I meant to say I wrote a snippet to amuse myself.

I'm all for more typos of this variety. :)

I like how McKay's "define inexperience" hearkens hack to the Underground ep where Sheppard asked him to define "strange" - it's details like that are very "on" and show-specific.

Also, cool that Sheppard is the inexperienced one here - so far the trend has been that he would try to make it with an inanimate object if he were horny enough. I'm not sure I buy that/see where that idea is coming from, so it's nice to see it a difference way.

And heh to the infamous charm line - very amusing!

I'd love to see how they got to this point though.... [whistles innocently into the wind]

By the way, there was a Sheppard/McKay snippet posted to the pegasusgate LJ yesterday, in case you hadn't seen it yet... I thought it was...fun.

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

I love the "define" business they do with each other. "Strange" was the best one so far, LOL. "You don't know what strange means?" Or something like that.

Theirloveissoundefined.

[raqs.livejournal.com]

*snerk.*

yes, it sounded like them - and that's hard to do since we haven't had so much of them. i want more.

Oh, and....

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

Are you talking about gigitrek's ficlet on Pegasus_gate? I had read it in her LJ, and loved it. Furry Sheppard, just like a cat. Hee. I love everything she writes, and I'm so tickled that she's writing Atlantis fic now.

Re: Oh, and....

[fanaddict.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's the one. I had been about to recommend it more strongly, but then thought about it a second and realized that sometimes one person's "great story!" is another person's "clearly on bad!crack story", so I decided to leave it a more neutral heads up and leave the like/dislike aspect to your own taste.

You know, looking over people's comments and thinking about characterization, it's easier for me to see the potential for an inexperienced Sheppard than for the already infamous fannish shepwhore idea. He's brave and courageous and already has a history of not following orders, but... There's almost an innocence about him. He really believes in people still. He especially appears to believe in McKay and his ability to fix anything, which is sweet. In any case, I haven't seen evidence of him being all Love Machine with everyone. He does seem to flirt though - but more as a way of initiating contact and forming good bonds with people. He flirted with Teyla initially to get her people's help. He seemed to flirt a little with Sora of the curls in Underground, and hastily revised the strategy when Papa Amish got stuffy. I'm not sure what he was doing with the guy in Childhood's End, but it got his attention for sure. It just seems like Sheppard knows how to turn on the charm, but it seems less obvious that he actually does anything other than be charming. I think it's more an example of him being a people person and reading the emotional current, than it is a sign he'll do anything that moves given the opportunity.

Conversely, I kind of see where the fannish insecure McKay comes from. Obviously not some sort of whiny adolescent basket case (well, at least not an adolescent basket case), but I do think that he toots his own horn pretty loudly as a way to make sure people see that aspect of himself that he's most proud of, but it's a bit of a cover for the fact that he's not really comfortable interacting/socializing with people and knows he's often viewed as disagreeable. So, I think he is somewhat insecure with how other's view him in some ways, but it's hidden under his sureness that he's smart and knows everything and therefore they should love him and want him around. He's arrogantly insecure. I am going to be shocked if we find out he was a lothario back on Earth though, especially since the only woman he's bragged about is Sam - and we know nothing happened there unless it involved her dumping lemon chicken on his head. Of course, I suppose one could say he wouldn't be bragging about men... But I'd still be shocked to find out he's had any long relationships.

Of course, by fannish convention, traits are taken and distorted so Sheppard's flirting turns him into shepwhore, and McKay's arrogant insecurity gets turned into teen age girl whimpering insecurity and everyone lives happily in the Land of Extreme. Except those of us in Moderation Alley who like 3D characters.

So... Think there's any meaning to Sheppard calling McKay Rodney to his face, but when talking about him to others call him McKay? And McKay only calls him Major so far, or Major Sheppard (that I can recall). Hmmm, I think it's another way of poking at each other. Sheppard pushing past McKay's defenses with informality, and McKay keeping him out with formality. A friend of mine commented that they have great snarking chemistry, respect, and hate each other. I don't see hate at all. Respect and desire to needle each other into an emotional response, uh huh. Hate? Definitely not. Just a very intense... poking at each other's defenses.

[As a side note, I totally hadn't caught it before, but in Home, it's the real Weir (known for her pink t-shirt) who comes and wakes up a presumably fake McKay to go to SGC - the McKay in the "I'm with Genius" t-shirt who hastily wiped his hand, etc. implying her had been... enjoying himself, let's say. So Weir apparently thinks of McKay as an arrogant, self-help kind of guy. While in McKay's dream he got some with the girl next door, and later saw Weir at SGC in the primmest business outfit ever. Implying that Weir has some concept of McKay as a sexual being, while McKay doesn't see her that way. Just something of interest that I have no place else to comment.]

Re: Oh, and....

[thegrrrl2002.livejournal.com]

one person's "great story!" is another person's "clearly on bad!crack story"

Oh, sure, that goes without saying, but that's what makes life interesting. I say, rec away, and let other's opinions be damned. *g* Although I have to admit, we all can usually all agree on the bad stuff. It's just the nuances between "okay", "good" and "great" that vary.

Anyway, I really dug gigi's fic.

it's easier for me to see the potential for an inexperienced Sheppard than for the already infamous fannish shepwhore idea.

I love your thoughts on this--I've been thinking about it too (as I'm sure you've noticed). I think you're right. He's flirty, but it's not a smarmy, manipulative sort of thing. It *is* kind of innocent. It's not a stretch for me to see him as doing it unintentionally. He's just being nice. He can't help it that he's so damn cute. Okay, well, he could stop with the adorable bed-head thing. I'm sure he does that on purpose, just to tease McKay.

I kind of see where the fannish insecure McKay comes from.

Yeah, there's lots of layers there. He's putting up defenses all the time, and I think he definitely has a hard time letting people get close to him. Wimpy and weepy, no. But very complex, and yes, I definitely think insecure. He's so damn interesting.

Think there's any meaning to Sheppard calling McKay Rodney to his face, but when talking about him to others call him McKay?

Good question. I like to think of it as a sign they are close, of course. *g* Sheppard is definitely an informal kind of guy, not big on protocol. I also think he likes saying "RODney". I'm definitely waiting for the day Rodney calls him "John". And how could your friend think they hate each other? I think they get a big kick out of each other. And out of poking at each other. Verbally, for now.

As for "Home", I rewatched it, and still couldn't figure out if Weir came to see the real McKay or not. I figured that it was really him, since the scene started with him. And you know, the boxers and teeshirt. Would Weir really imagine him like that? I was pretty sure iIt was only the dream McKay when he had his labcoat on, later in the SGC. That was my take on it. Maybe I need to watch it again? And again?

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[fanaddict.livejournal.com]

It's just the nuances between "okay", "good" and "great" that vary.

True enough.

He's flirty, but it's not a smarmy, manipulative sort of thing. It *is* kind of innocent. It's not a stretch for me to see him as doing it unintentionally. He's just being nice.

I definitely don't think he's being manipulative, etc. I'm not as sure if it's unintentional. I could read him easily as either a) unintentionally trying to smooth the road by being nice, which comes across as flirty; or b) intentionally flirty to smooth the road but hiding his real self away behind it. I think it depends on what exactly happened in his past that made him disobey orders, hide his math skills, etc. Maybe it's nothing really interesting and so he's not hiding any emotional damage behind a facade of flirting, in which case scenario a is likely. On the other hand, if we learn there's actually some nasty stuff in his past and he doesn't want to deal with it emotionally, then I think scenario b, flirting as the first line of defense, seems likely.

But very complex, and yes, I definitely think insecure. He's so damn interesting.

Oh yeah. And snarky as anything - I love complex and insecure and interesting, but if he were as boring as burnt toast it wouldn't do a thing for me.

I'm definitely waiting for the day Rodney calls him "John".

I will melt with glee when/if that happens. Of course, on SG-1, Jack still calls Sam Carter most of the time, suggesting that TPTB in Stargate aren't necessarily big on name changes, even for pairings they are apparently trying to promote.

I think they get a big kick out of each other. And out of poking at each other.

Oh yeah. :) Even when Weir is nominally in charge of a meeting, it turns into a Sheppard/McKay Snarkfest because they focus on each other and start bouncing jibes off each other pretty quickly. Which I love. I think the writers like it too, because almost every ep begins after the credits with them snarking on each other.

I rewatched it, and still couldn't figure out if Weir came to see the real McKay or not.

It's confusing - which is pretty much my description of the ep, not because the plot was hard to follow, but because they tried to write too many character hallucinations and "fool" us, but in the process it became hopelessly muddled, I thought.

Ok, here's why I think that was actually Weir's hallucination, despite it opening with McKay. We know McKay actually got it on with his neighbor lady in his hallucination, but in this scene it was pretty clear that he had been masturbating. All of Weir's hallucinations had her in that pink t-shirt, which is what she was wearing when McKay opened the door. McKay's hallucination had her dressed quite differently.

It's not exactly an evidential home run or anything, but that's why I think it was her hallucination. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though, because I love the idea of McKay wearing that t-shirt for real. :)